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02/15/2022 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:35:37 PM Start
01:36:34 PM Presentation: Statewide Transportation Improvement Program and Iija Overview
03:30:19 PM Adjourn
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+ Overview: Statewide Transportation Improvement TELECONFERENCED
Program (STIP) & Infrastructure Investment and
Jobs Act (IIJA) by Deputy Commissioner Rob
Carpenter, Dom Pannone, Administrative Services
Director, and James Marks, Director of Program
Development; Department of Transportation and
Public Facilities
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 15, 2022                                                                                          
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Rob   Carpenter,   Deputy    Commissioner,   Department   of                                                                    
Transportation   and   Public   Facilities;   James   Marks,                                                                    
Director, Program Development,  Department of Transportation                                                                    
and Public Facilities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: STATEWIDE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM                                                                      
and IIJA OVERVIEW                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: STATEWIDE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM                                                                   
and IIJA OVERVIEW                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROB   CARPENTER,   DEPUTY    COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
TRANSPORTATION  AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES,  introduced  himself                                                                    
and turned the floor over to his colleague.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  MARKS, DIRECTOR,  PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES, provided a PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled  "Statewide Transportation  Improvement                                                                    
Program  and IIJA  Overview"  (copy on  file).  He moved  to                                                                    
slide 2 and relayed that  his presentation would discuss the                                                                    
Statewide Transportation Improvement  Program (STIP) and why                                                                    
it was  important and  necessary. He  would also  be sharing                                                                    
some  new information  about  the Infrastructure  Investment                                                                    
and Jobs  Act (IIJA)  and the  Federal Aid  Highways Program                                                                    
(FAHP). He  would end  his presentation  with the  plans the                                                                    
Department  of Transportation  and  Public Facilities  (DOT)                                                                    
had for the year ahead.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks advanced to slide  3 to offer information on STIP.                                                                    
He read from the slide as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
    The STIP is 4-year program required in federal                                                                           
     regulations, (23 USC 135 & 23 CFR 450) & (17 AAC                                                                           
     05.155)                                                                                                                    
    The STIP lists federally funded surface transportation                                                                   
     projects in the State                                                                                                      
        o must be fiscally constrained                                                                                          
        o must be a public process                                                                                              
        o is approved by FHWA & FTA                                                                                             
    Failure to comply, jeopardize federal funding in                                                                         
     Alaska                                                                                                                     
    State regulations distribute funding and define State                                                                    
     programs, notably:                                                                                                         
        o National Highway System (NHS)                                                                                         
        o Alaska Highway System (AHS)                                                                                           
        o Community Transportation Program (CTP)                                                                                
        o Trails and Recreational Access for Alaskans                                                                           
          (TRAAK)                                                                                                               
    The State maintains a 10+ Year Extended STIP                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:39:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks moved  to slide 4 and indicated that  the STIP was                                                                    
composed of about  25 percent state programs  and 75 percent                                                                    
capital improvement projects  (CIP). State programs included                                                                    
items  such   as  preservation  and  maintenance,   and  CIP                                                                    
included items  such as the  National Highways  System (NHS)                                                                    
and the Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  referred to  the bullet  point on  slide 3                                                                    
that specified  that the  STIP was required  to be  a public                                                                    
process. He asked for more details about the process.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  replied responded  that he  would provide  a high                                                                    
level  overview  of  the process  in  the  presentation.  He                                                                    
explained that  notices went  out to the  public when  a new                                                                    
STIP was being  developed and there was also a  list of STIP                                                                    
contacts that  received notices  of a  new or  amended STIP.                                                                    
Additionally, notices  were published  in at least  one news                                                                    
periodical,  such as  the Anchorage  Daily  News (ADN).  The                                                                    
public comment period  would last for about  45 days, during                                                                    
which DOT  received the  comments and kept  a record  of the                                                                    
department's response using a comment log.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  if the  public  process  had  been                                                                    
steady over  the years. He  wondered if there had  been more                                                                    
or less public participation recently.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  answered that the participation  waxed and waned.                                                                    
He stated that  there was significant interest  in IIJA, and                                                                    
there  was  an  increase  in  participation  when  new  IIJA                                                                    
information was released.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick noted  that  Representative Rasmussen  had                                                                    
joined the meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson asked  for  details  about the  STIP                                                                    
process in unorganized boroughs.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  replied  that  he  had  a  slide  later  in  his                                                                    
presentation  that  addressed  the various  STIP  cycles  in                                                                    
unorganized boroughs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  asked how  the STIP process  and IIJA                                                                    
interacted. He  was curious how  IIJA and other  new federal                                                                    
programs  would  affect  the  work   done  by  DOT  and  the                                                                    
legislature.  He shared  that there  was strong  interest in                                                                    
his district about the federal funding.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  answered that  there was  a slide  that addressed                                                                    
the matter  later in the  presentation. He relayed  that DOT                                                                    
was trying  to manage expectations and  emphasized that IIJA                                                                    
was a re-authorization and not a relief act.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  asked  for a  definition  of  the                                                                    
Community    Transportation    Program   (CTP)    and    the                                                                    
Transportation  Alternatives   Program  (TAP),   which  were                                                                    
listed  on the  slide as  examples of  CIPs. He  thought the                                                                    
public would be familiar with  the other CIP examples on the                                                                    
slide.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  responded that  CTP and  TAP were  the interfaces                                                                    
used  by the  public  or  by public  officials  in order  to                                                                    
nominate projects.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter asked if TAP was a subcategory.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  replied that  the regulations were  a bit  out of                                                                    
date. He explained that TAP  was the new federal program and                                                                    
involved funding for components  such as bike and pedestrian                                                                    
facilities. There  was a carve-out for  recreational trails,                                                                    
but it  usually was transferred  to the jurisdiction  of the                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources (DNR).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  advanced to  slide 5  showing an  illustration of                                                                    
the STIP  process. The box  in the upper left  corner showed                                                                    
how  the  needs   for  a  project  might   be  sourced.  The                                                                    
department  collected  a variety  of  data  as part  of  its                                                                    
function,  such as  performance  and condition  data of  the                                                                    
roads  or   the  socioeconomic   needs  of  the   area.  All                                                                    
identified  needs  went  into a  database  which  moved  the                                                                    
process  along  to  the   needs  evaluation  and  management                                                                    
category on  the slide. He  explained that when  funding was                                                                    
identified  and  holes  in  funding  began  to  appear,  the                                                                    
department would do a call  for projects, which was the next                                                                    
step in  the process. He  pointed to  the group icon  at the                                                                    
top of  the slide indicating  when the public  was notified,                                                                    
solicited,   or  otherwise   involved  in   the  development                                                                    
process.  The  public  was first  notified  when  there  was                                                                    
intent  to apply  for funding  for a  project. Defining  the                                                                    
criteria for a project and  releasing an intent to apply was                                                                    
important  because  both needed  to  be  in place  before  a                                                                    
project could be submitted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks continued  that the project started  to take shape                                                                    
once the notice of intent  was released, and engineering and                                                                    
field  work  would begin.  There  would  be some  discussion                                                                    
between  the  planning  staff, engineering  staff,  and  the                                                                    
sponsor of a project on  whether the department believed the                                                                    
project would  be viable. Once the  projects were submitted,                                                                    
the department  would hold a Project  Evaluation Board (PEB)                                                                    
meeting.  The  board  would   score,  rank,  and  prioritize                                                                    
projects  in  a  public  meeting. There  were  a  number  of                                                                    
factors that would determine if  a project would go forward,                                                                    
such as fiscal constraint and overall priorities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:52:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  asked for more information  on the                                                                    
expected timelines of the process.  She was curious how long                                                                    
a project would remain in each phase of the process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  replied that  each  of  the phases  reflected  a                                                                    
particular  period   of  time.  Sourcing,   evaluating,  and                                                                    
managing  needs  was  an ongoing  process  that  was  always                                                                    
occurring.  He reported  that the  call  for projects  phase                                                                    
would  typically take  approximately  14 to  16 months.  The                                                                    
department  has  tried  to condense  the  process,  but  any                                                                    
further condensing  would reduce the public  comment period.                                                                    
The  STIP was  updated every  two  years and  would soon  be                                                                    
updated to  the 2022  through 2025  version of  the process.                                                                    
However,  there were  amendment  cycles  within the  process                                                                    
which  triggered  the  public  comment  procedure  to  begin                                                                    
again.  The  amendment  process took  roughly  90  days  and                                                                    
involved changes to the scope or cost of the project.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen was  curious about the relationship                                                                    
between public roads and  population changes. She understood                                                                    
that if a  new subdivision was built in  Anchorage and there                                                                    
was no direct  access to a state road, it  would not trigger                                                                    
a  state  traffic  study.  She relayed  that  Sand  Lake  in                                                                    
Anchorage was  currently dealing with increased  traffic due                                                                    
to  new developments  but  there had  not  been any  traffic                                                                    
studies   because  the   developments   were  not   directly                                                                    
accessible  by state  roads. She  asked how  the legislature                                                                    
and  department might  collaborate in  order to  improve the                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  responded that  the department  incorporated land                                                                    
use planning  and other planning in  its evaluation process.                                                                    
There needed  to be a  balance in  the urban centers  of the                                                                    
state and  there was already some  collaboration between the                                                                    
department  and Anchorage  Metropolitan Area  Transportation                                                                    
Solutions (AMATS).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  for a  description  of  the  steps                                                                    
involved in  the STIP  in relation  to the  Tustumena vessel                                                                    
replacement  project.  He  noted that  the  legislature  put                                                                    
forward a  "state match" for  the Tustumena project  in 2018                                                                    
in anticipation  of incoming  federal dollars.  However, the                                                                    
project did  not move forward.  He understood that  the STIP                                                                    
was the reason for the stagnation of the project.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter stated his understanding  that there were some                                                                    
issues  related  to  the Buy  American  Act  that  prevented                                                                    
construction of the Tustumena  Replacement Vessel (TRV). The                                                                    
project was  recently moved out of  the STIP and was  set to                                                                    
be revisited  in the 2024  STIP cycle. However,  there would                                                                    
be an upcoming amendment that  would likely move the project                                                                    
up into construction in 2023.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  if  there  was  awareness  of  Buy                                                                    
American  issues  in 2018  when  the  appropriation for  the                                                                    
state match was made.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Carpenter  replied  that  he would  follow  up  on  the                                                                    
question. There  had been delays  and the project  was still                                                                    
in the design stage in 2018.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz  asked whether  any administration  had the                                                                    
power to  step in  and determine  which projects  would move                                                                    
forward in the STIP.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Carpenter replied,  "To an  extent." He  explained that                                                                    
regional planning  chiefs were consulted in  the process and                                                                    
timeliness and  relevancy of  the projects  were considered.                                                                    
Adding  projects  to the  STIP  and  delaying others  was  a                                                                    
balancing act.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:00:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon asked if Mr.  Marks was familiar with a                                                                    
roundabout project near Chena Hot Springs in Fairbanks.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks responded that he was somewhat familiar.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  thought the  project seemed to  have a                                                                    
substantial amount  of public pushback.  He asked if  it was                                                                    
common for a  project to go through the  process and receive                                                                    
a lot  of pushback once  it was  open to public  comment. He                                                                    
asked if  it was possible for  the public to halt  a project                                                                    
once it had reached the comment stage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks replied that the  department received the question                                                                    
frequently and  it put together  a lengthy response  for the                                                                    
House Transportation  Committee that included a  list of the                                                                    
projects  that  had been  canceled  due  to negative  public                                                                    
comment.  However,  the  department  was  required  to  move                                                                    
forward with a project once  federal funds were committed or                                                                    
it would  have to pay  the funds  back. He relayed  that DOT                                                                    
seriously considered the public's  response to a project and                                                                    
it  sometimes  resulted  in projects  getting  canceled.  He                                                                    
offered  to  provide  more   details  about  the  roundabout                                                                    
project to Representative LeBon.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  suggested   that  federal  funds  had                                                                    
already been committed to the  roundabout project and it was                                                                    
"beyond the  point of no  return" despite pushback  from the                                                                    
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter responded  that one of the  factors that would                                                                    
override  public comment  was  safety. He  relayed that  the                                                                    
department's  safety engineers  determined that  the project                                                                    
was  in  the  best  interest   of  the  state.  The  federal                                                                    
commitment was  not a priority  to him, and he  thought that                                                                    
the STIP should be reexamined every year.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Thompson   commented  that   Kinross   Gold                                                                    
Corporation was  hauling heavy loads  from Tok  to Fairbanks                                                                    
and beyond on a daily basis.  He noted that there were plans                                                                    
to add more passing lanes along  the road and asked if heavy                                                                    
hauling  activity  was  taken   into  consideration  in  the                                                                    
planning of road update projects.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  would not  be touching  on the  specific project,                                                                    
but it was  under discussion and various  options were being                                                                    
considered.  He confirmed  that there  was discussion  about                                                                    
passing  lanes and  there was  already public  concern about                                                                    
the  impact of  the heavy  hauling  trucks on  the road.  He                                                                    
would  be  happy  to provide  Representative  Thompson  with                                                                    
additional information after the meeting.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  would  like more  information.  He                                                                    
thought  the issue  would  be important  in  the future  and                                                                    
would require a substantial amount of funding.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  shared that a past  constituent of                                                                    
hers had a near fatal  accident along the Seward Highway due                                                                    
to   rockfall.   She   asked   what   was   preventing   the                                                                    
implementation of the needed repairs along the highway.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks responded there were  subprocesses within the STIP                                                                    
that  allowed for  faster  turnaround,  particularly in  the                                                                    
state project  category. He  offered reassurance  that there                                                                    
were mechanisms in place to  speed up the process especially                                                                    
in cases where there were safety concerns.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen  asked   about  the  timeline  for                                                                    
expedited projects.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks replied  that  it depended  on  the program.  For                                                                    
example,   the  Highway   Safety  Improvement   Program  put                                                                    
together a  list of projects  once a year that  were ranked,                                                                    
evaluated, and scored by safety engineers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen asked  if  anything precluded  the                                                                    
department from looking at a toll for the Seward Highway.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks deferred the question to Mr. Carpenter.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter did  not believe that there  was anything that                                                                    
would prevent  the establishment  of a  toll. He  stated the                                                                    
Federal  Highway  Administration  had  rules  regarding  the                                                                    
establishment of tolls,  but there were no  state rules that                                                                    
he was aware of.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  stated  that   the  STIP  was  a  complex                                                                    
process.  He asked  if projects  identified  in the  capital                                                                    
budget sometimes superseded projects in the STIP.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:11:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks answered  it was  a balancing  act. An  important                                                                    
factor was that the STIP was  on the federal fiscal year and                                                                    
there  was  an overlap  in  the  budgets that  could  create                                                                    
issues.  There was  some  flexibility in  the  STIP to  move                                                                    
projects  forward  within  the  four-year  window,  but  the                                                                    
legislative authority  component needed to be  considered as                                                                    
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  if some  projects  would never  get                                                                    
addressed and would simply disappear from the STIP.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks replied  that it would be very rare  for a project                                                                    
to  not  move  forward  once the  department  had  committed                                                                    
federal funds to it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  asked if  projects could  be inserted                                                                    
into the general obligation bond  package independent of the                                                                    
STIP process.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks replied  in the  affirmative.  He indicated  that                                                                    
projects could also be inserted  into the process through an                                                                    
amendment or a STIP update.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon asked for  confirmation that there was                                                                    
discretion involved  in the general obligation  bond package                                                                    
determination and projects did not need to be in the STIP.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  responded, "Absolutely."  He added  that building                                                                    
projects under  Title 23 required significant  resources and                                                                    
time  which made  project delivery  times  longer and  costs                                                                    
higher.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  expanded on Mr. Marks'  comments. He reminded                                                                    
members  that the  STIP  was a  planning  document that  was                                                                    
required  by  the  federal  government  in  order  to  spend                                                                    
federal monies.  If a project had  received federal funding,                                                                    
the  state was  required  to either  move  forward with  the                                                                    
project or repay the federal government.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick asked for a  list of projects that had been                                                                    
halted and the amounts that had to be repaid.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter would provide the list.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  continued  to  explain  slide  5  and  the  STIP                                                                    
process. The  department solicited  input from  the regional                                                                    
planners  and leadership  teams at  the beginning  of a  new                                                                    
STIP cycle to determine what  changes needed to be made. The                                                                    
plan  would  then  be subjected  to  fiscal  constraint  and                                                                    
public comment, then be passed  along to the Federal Highway                                                                    
Administration    (FHWA)    and    the    Federal    Transit                                                                    
Administration  (FTA), and  finally the  commissioner. There                                                                    
was a  small do loop in  the process when a  minor change to                                                                    
the STIP was  proposed, such as an  administrative change or                                                                    
a schedule  change that resulted in  relatively small dollar                                                                    
changes. He  explained that small changes  only required the                                                                    
approval  of  the commissioner  and  would  not require  the                                                                    
approval of FHWA or FTA.  Any changes that altered the scope                                                                    
of a  project, canceled  a project, or  added a  project and                                                                    
resulted  in a  dollar change  of 15  percent or  more would                                                                    
require  a STIP  amendment  and trigger  the public  comment                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks moved  to slide 6 to discuss  FAHP in relationship                                                                    
to IIJA. He read from the slide as follows:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    Characteristics                                                                                                          
        o Federally-Assisted, State-Administered                                                                                
        o Funding tied to specific systems and programs                                                                         
        o States or local agencies pay for maintenance and                                                                      
          match                                                                                                                 
    Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) Role                                                                               
        o Establish national highway policy, regulations,                                                                       
          guidance, standards                                                                                                   
        o Review and approve state proposals                                                                                    
        o Distribute funds and pay States                                                                                       
    State and Local Role                                                                                                     
        o Project conception, planning, design                                                                                  
        o Construction of projects                                                                                              
        o Maintenance & operation of highway                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  advanced to slide  7 and discussed the  six steps                                                                    
required to receive  FAHP funding. The steps  were broken up                                                                    
into   the    following   categories:    authorization   and                                                                    
appropriation,  which were  United States  Congress actions;                                                                    
apportionment and  allocation, which determined  how funding                                                                    
was distributed to states; and  obligation and outlay, which                                                                    
involved a  formal commitment  from the  federal government.                                                                    
He  turned to  slide 8  and relayed  that the  authorization                                                                    
category  referred  to  IIJA.  He read  from  the  slide  as                                                                    
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
    5 Year Transportation Authorization                                                                                      
    Around $550   B   in   new   Federal   infrastructure                                                                    
    investment, including largest investments ever in:                                                                          
        o public transit                                                                                                        
        o dedicated bridge                                                                                                      
        o clean water                                                                                                           
        o clean energy                                                                                                          
        o electric vehicle infrastructure                                                                                       
    ~$664M for Alaska in Apportionment                                                                                       
    Significant number of Discretionary Grants                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks explained that the goal  was for the state to work                                                                    
together to compete  against the other states  in the nation                                                                    
and not to rouse competition between Alaska agencies.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Marks  looked   at  slide   9  and   noted  that   the                                                                    
appropriation category also referred  to IIJA. He elaborated                                                                    
that appropriation  happened every  year but it  was typical                                                                    
for appropriations  acts to not be  released until December,                                                                    
January, or February. He read from the slide as follows:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
    FFY22 Federal Appropriations have not occurred                                                                           
    Operating under a Continuing Resolution                                                                                  
    Rule-making still underway for new programs, such as:                                                                    
          Expanded Eligibility for STBG, HSIP, etc.                                                                             
        o EV Charging Infrastructure                                                                                            
        o Carbon Reduction program                                                                                              
        o PROTECT formula and grants                                                                                            
        o Ferry Capital and Operating grants                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  added that when  the state was operating  under a                                                                    
Continuing Resolution (CR), the  new appropriations were not                                                                    
permitted to begin or be  funded. For example, the state was                                                                    
expecting  to  receive  about   $7.8  million  for  electric                                                                    
vehicle  (EV) infrastructure  and DOT  was working  with the                                                                    
Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA) to  put the required  plan in                                                                    
place by August of 2022 for approval by FHWA.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  addressed federal  aid highway  apportionments on                                                                    
slide 10,  which related to  the apportionment  category. He                                                                    
indicated that  apportionments were  defined in  statute and                                                                    
there were six  main programs. The programs  and the average                                                                    
percentage  of apportionment  funding provided  through each                                                                    
program was as follows:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
    NHPP                                                                                                                     
        o National Highways Performance Program (~58%)                                                                          
    STBG                                                                                                                     
       o Surface Transportation Block Grants (~27%)                                                                             
    HSIP                                                                                                                     
        o Highway Safety Improvement Program (~6%)                                                                              
    CMAQ                                                                                                                     
        o Congestion Mitigation & Air Quality (~5%)                                                                             
    NHFP                                                                                                                     
        o National Highways Freight Program (~3%)                                                                               
    MPO PL                                                                                                                   
        o Metropolitan Planning Organization Planning (~1%)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:26:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Carpenter   asked  what   the   percentages                                                                    
referred to on slide 10.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Marks  replied   the  percentages   referred  to   the                                                                    
percentages of  apportionment funds  that were  allocated to                                                                    
the state through  each program. For example,  58 percent of                                                                    
Alaska's  apportionment  funds  came  through  the  National                                                                    
Highways Performance Program (NHPP).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  understood  that there  would  be  a                                                                    
federal  appropriations   vehicle  in  March  of   2022.  He                                                                    
wondered  if Mr.  Marks could  provide  a sense  of what  to                                                                    
expect from the  incoming funds. He recalled  that Mr. Miles                                                                    
Baker had  previously provided to  the committee a  range of                                                                    
$100  million to  $200  million in  expected  IIJA funds  in                                                                    
calendar  year (CY)  22. He  asked  if DOT  was expecting  a                                                                    
similar amount of  funds and asked if the bulk  of the funds                                                                    
were expected to arrive in March of 2022.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks responded  that  Mr. Baker  was  correct in  that                                                                    
there was  a wide range  of expected IIJA funds.  He offered                                                                    
reassurance  that  DOT was  running  a  variety of  outcomes                                                                    
through  its  models.  There  were still  a  great  deal  of                                                                    
unknowns and  there were more  funds that would come  to the                                                                    
state in addition  to the apportion funds.  The question was                                                                    
whether the  state would  continue to  receive the  funds it                                                                    
had historically  received, and if  it did not, how  the net                                                                    
totals would be impacted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon thought  it  seemed  likely that  the                                                                    
unknowns would not  be cleared up by the  time session ended                                                                    
for the year. He asked if it was a fair assessment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  replied  in the  negative.  The  department  was                                                                    
preparing  for all  possible outcomes  and had  considered a                                                                    
number   of  different   solutions.  He   agreed  that   the                                                                    
department might  not be  able to implement  all of  the new                                                                    
programs in the current year,  but he believed the state was                                                                    
well prepared regardless of what happened in March.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon recalled  that in  2019, the  capital                                                                    
budget  was  not  passed  until   July.  He  suggested  that                                                                    
projects might  have been pushed  to the following  year due                                                                    
to  construction deadlines  if  the  legislature had  waited                                                                    
much longer  to pass  the budget.  He thought  history could                                                                    
repeat itself  if there were  still a significant  number of                                                                    
unknowns by the  time session was set to adjourn  on May 18,                                                                    
2022.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  shared that later  slides would  display more                                                                    
detail on the  estimated amounts the state  would receive in                                                                    
apportionment.   The  most   significant  unknown   was  the                                                                    
allocations, which  would be detailed in  the appropriations                                                                    
act once it  was released. He expected the  state to receive                                                                    
around $140 million.  He was confident the  funds would come                                                                    
but agreed  that if the  funds came  later in the  year some                                                                    
projects  might have  to  be pushed  back  to the  following                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  recalled that there had  been a discussion                                                                    
about  staffing in  a  previous meeting.  She  asked if  DOT                                                                    
would  need additional  staff to  assist  with the  incoming                                                                    
IIJA  money.  She  had  heard   that  the  department  would                                                                    
specifically need  more grant writers. She  wondered if IIJA                                                                    
money could be used to pay for administrative costs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  answered there would be  an impact especially                                                                    
on  programming and  processing duties.  He hoped  to supply                                                                    
the legislature with an infrastructure  proposal bill in the                                                                    
near  future. He  agreed that  more grant  writers would  be                                                                    
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick looked forward to the proposal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter  asked if the  administration could                                                                    
work with  the legislature  to access additional  funding if                                                                    
it became available.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Carpenter  answered  that the  Legislative  Budget  and                                                                    
Audit Committee  (LB&A) was technically supposed  to approve                                                                    
unexpected revenue.  If there was a  large redistribution of                                                                    
funds in  August of 2022,  the department could ask  LB&A to                                                                    
approve the use of the money.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  moved to slide  11 and highlighted  the statutory                                                                    
apportionment   formula.  First,   a   lump   sum  for   all                                                                    
apportioned  programs  and states  would  be  set, then  the                                                                    
state's total would  be calculated, then the  funds would be                                                                    
distributed among  the state's apportioned programs.  Of the                                                                    
$52.5  billion in  federal funds  that would  be distributed                                                                    
nation-wide, $664.3 million would  be designated for Alaska.                                                                    
The funds would  then been distributed to  the programs with                                                                    
identified needs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:38:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon   asked  for  a  description   of  the                                                                    
statutory  apportionment   formula.  He  asked  if   it  was                                                                    
population based or need based.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks responded that the  formula had never changed, and                                                                    
it  was referenced  whenever  a  new transportation  related                                                                    
bill  was put  forth. He  believed the  formula process  was                                                                    
established  around  1999  and  was based  on  a  number  of                                                                    
factors, such as population, density,  and road miles. There                                                                    
were  some provisions  specific to  Alaska that  were worked                                                                    
into  the formula  because the  combination  of the  state's                                                                    
large land area and  small population disrupted the formula.                                                                    
Alaska  received   a  disproportionate  amount   of  funding                                                                    
relative  to   the  amount  of   gas  excise  tax   that  it                                                                    
distributed to  the Highway Trust  Fund (HTF).  Alaska fared                                                                    
well according to the formula.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks   turned  to  slide   12  and   discussed  Alaska                                                                    
apportionments  over time.  He  relayed that  FY  21 was  an                                                                    
anomaly  due  to the  influx  of  American Rescue  Plan  Act                                                                    
(ARPA)  and  Coronavirus  Response and  Relief  Supplemental                                                                    
Appropriations  Act (CRRSAA)  funds. On  average, the  state                                                                    
had  anywhere   from  $550  million   to  $615   million  in                                                                    
apportioned and allocated funds.  He explained that the $100                                                                    
million number listed under allocated  funds for FY 22 was a                                                                    
conservative  estimate  and  the  minimum  expected  amount.                                                                    
There were some known amounts,  but it was possible that the                                                                    
state would  receive additional funds  outside of  the known                                                                    
amounts.  Although  $100  million   was  estimated,  it  was                                                                    
expected  that  the  state  would  receive  closer  to  $140                                                                    
million to $160 million in allocated funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks turned to the  table on slide 13 which illustrated                                                                    
Alaska's apportionments  and set-asides  by program.  It was                                                                    
important to understand that the  programs under the federal                                                                    
highway apportionments  were "carved  up" before  Alaska was                                                                    
granted access to the funds.  For example, 2 percent of each                                                                    
program's  funding  was  reserved for  planning  costs.  The                                                                    
state  did  not  enact  some   federal  laws  such  as  open                                                                    
container and  repeat offender laws, and  penalty funds were                                                                    
taken from  the Surface  Transportation Block  Grants (STBG)                                                                    
as  a result.  He indicated  that slide  13 illustrated  the                                                                    
third round  of carve-outs  from the programs  that occurred                                                                    
before  the state  was granted  access. The  purpose of  the                                                                    
slide was to show that not  all programs were growing at the                                                                    
same rate, and that the  programs that were growing were not                                                                    
growing  in areas  that  were  considered discretionary.  He                                                                    
stated there  were new eligibilities  under IIJA  related to                                                                    
things like ice  roads and wildlife mitigation,  and all new                                                                    
eligibilities fell under the STBG program.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:44:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks looked  at  slide 14  and  discussed what  Alaska                                                                    
would have  received from  FY 22  to FY 26  if IIJA  had not                                                                    
existed.  The department  created  models  based on  Federal                                                                    
State and Technology (FAST) levels  in the past and adjusted                                                                    
for  inflation.  On average,  the  modeling  found that  the                                                                    
state would have  received about $2.9 billion  over the five                                                                    
year  period,  while IIJA  offered  $3.4  billion. The  $540                                                                    
million difference  was all new  money that the  state would                                                                    
not receive  without IIJA. He  explained that 32  percent of                                                                    
the new money would be  dedicated to the new programs listed                                                                    
on the  slide, which  he would discuss  in detail  later. He                                                                    
added  that  42  percent  of the  funding  was  in  national                                                                    
highways and only 6 percent would come through STBG.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked  if the 41.9 percent  growth that was                                                                    
expected  for  the  national highway  program  included  the                                                                    
Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  responded that AMHS  was on the  national highway                                                                    
system and  therefore highway  funds could  be used  for the                                                                    
ferries.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  for clarification  that  AMHS  was                                                                    
included in the 41.9 percent growth rate.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks replied  that the  funds  could be  used to  fund                                                                    
components of AMHS but the  funds were not specific to ferry                                                                    
boats.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz stated  he had heard in  a subcommittee had                                                                    
that  $135  million of  IIJA  funds  was budgeted  for  AMHS                                                                    
operations. He  understood that the  funds came from  a $200                                                                    
million  annual nationwide  appropriation  and Alaska  would                                                                    
qualify  for the  majority of  the  money. He  asked if  the                                                                    
money was part of the national highways apportionments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  answered in the  negative. He indicated  that the                                                                    
funds  specific to  the ferry  system  were a  discretionary                                                                    
grant  and would  be in  addition to  the national  highways                                                                    
apportionments.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon   recalled  that   the  congressional                                                                    
delegation  spoke  before  the   House  Labor  and  Commerce                                                                    
Committee a few weeks prior  and a member had commented that                                                                    
a tremendous amount  of money would be coming  to Alaska. He                                                                    
appreciated the  breakout of the  funds in  the presentation                                                                    
and thought the amount seemed  far more modest. He asked how                                                                    
he could reconcile the varying  perceptions of the magnitude                                                                    
of  the money.  He asked  what  he was  missing because  the                                                                    
numbers seemed to be contradictory.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  answered that  there would  be IIJA  funds coming                                                                    
into  the state  through  other agencies  and other  avenues                                                                    
apart from  DOT. There were  also some estimates  and models                                                                    
that were including the discretionary  grants in the totals.                                                                    
He  would have  to  see  the numbers  to  confirm, but  some                                                                    
projections  assumed  that  Alaska   would  be  receiving  a                                                                    
portion of  the discretionary grants coming  from outside of                                                                    
FHWA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:49:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon asked if  the legislature could expect                                                                    
some of the grant money to come through FHWA.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  for  a  description on  the                                                                    
"Protect (new)" line on slide 14.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  responded  that  there   were  two  new  federal                                                                    
programs  included  on  the slide.  He  explained  that  the                                                                    
Protect  program helped  make infrastructure  more resilient                                                                    
after natural disasters. For example,  there was a provision                                                                    
in the program that  looked at community impacts, evacuation                                                                    
routes, and  access to emergency  facilities. The  other new                                                                    
program  provided funding  for the  reduction of  carbon. He                                                                    
indicated that  it was different  than the  existing program                                                                    
Congestion  Mitigation and  Air Quality  (CMAQ) in  that the                                                                    
carbon  reduction program  funds could  be used  anywhere in                                                                    
the  state. Conversely,  CMAQ  funds  had to  be  used in  a                                                                    
defined nonattainment area or maintenance area.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  moved to slide 15  titled "Surface Transportation                                                                    
Block Grants" and read from it as follows:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
    Most Flexible FAHP Funds                                                                                                 
    New Eligibilities, including but not limited to:                                                                         
        o Ice Roads & Seasonal Road Maintenance                                                                                 
        o Wildlife-vehicle     Collision    Mitigation     &                                                                    
          Remediation                                                                                                           
        o EV Charging Infrastructure                                                                                            
        o Rural    Barge     Landing,    Dock,    Waterfront                                                                    
          Infrastructure      Travel & Tourism Enhancement                                                                      
    Limited New Money                                                                                                        
        o STBG Increase from FFY21  FFY22 ~6.7%                                                                                 
        o Inflation from Jan. 2021 to Jan. 2022 was 7.0%                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  about the  category of  EV charging                                                                    
infrastructure.  He  asked  if  local  municipalities  would                                                                    
apply  for  EV funding  and  if  so, would  the  application                                                                    
process be through DOT or through the federal government.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  responded  that because  EV  infrastructure  was                                                                    
under  STBG  funding,  it would  fall  under  the  community                                                                    
transportation program.  There were two  possible scenarios:                                                                    
a  community could  nominate a  project using  FAHP, or  DOT                                                                    
could coordinate  efforts with  the EV program,  which would                                                                    
be more plan-driven. In the  second scenario, a municipality                                                                    
would need to identify corridors  and develop plans to apply                                                                    
for funding.  He acknowledged that the  rules were stringent                                                                    
and made  it difficult for  large rural states  to implement                                                                    
projects  due to  the requirement  to build  an EV  charging                                                                    
station every 50  miles. The first scenario  would allow for                                                                    
more flexibility and would better fit Alaska's needs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:55:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked for the  amount of more flexible FAHP                                                                    
funds  that were  available for  EV charging  infrastructure                                                                    
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks answered there was  no set amount. The program was                                                                    
under STBG, which included a long list of eligible items.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  asked if the  breakdown would  be included                                                                    
in Mr. Marks' forthcoming proposal.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  asked if  Co-Chair Merrick  was referring  to the                                                                    
capital budget.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick clarified she  was interested to know which                                                                    
projects DOT was suggesting that the legislature fund.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  responded that  the projects  would be  listed in                                                                    
the   proposal.  Some   projects   like   the  EV   charging                                                                    
infrastructure might be included in  the budget as a program                                                                    
because  there  were  few  guidelines  and  plans  currently                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick saw that AEA  had requested $1.5 million in                                                                    
the capital  budget to install  EV charging  stations across                                                                    
the  state. She  assumed  the requested  funds  would be  in                                                                    
addition to the IIJA funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks did not know the  nature of AEA's request, but DOT                                                                    
was coordinating  with AEA. He  relayed that he and  the DOT                                                                    
commissioner would be meeting  with AEA's executive director                                                                    
within the next few weeks.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  stated  legislators were  always  curious                                                                    
when multi-phase plans were mentioned.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon  recalled   that  Mr.   Miles  Baker                                                                    
reported that  there was around  $22 million for  five years                                                                    
for   the  rural   barge  landing,   dock,  and   waterfront                                                                    
infrastructure project.  He asked  if his  understanding was                                                                    
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks answered that he  did not have the number reported                                                                    
by Mr. Baker.  However, he expected the  state would receive                                                                    
around  $142 million  through STBG  once the  appropriations                                                                    
were  passed. The  funds  could  be used  for  a variety  of                                                                    
purposes and were not divided into categories.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:58:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon   stated    that   he   could   have                                                                    
misremembered  and  did  not want  to  misquote  anyone.  He                                                                    
stated that a community in his  district had a request for a                                                                    
breakwater  and  asked how  the  project  would get  in  the                                                                    
queue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  answered that  the request  would go  through the                                                                    
community  transportation  program.  He indicated  that  DOT                                                                    
would do  a call for  projects and evaluate the  criteria of                                                                    
the  various project  requests to  determine which  projects                                                                    
would go forward.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  surmised that  it was unknown  if the                                                                    
state  would receive  the  full $142  million  in the  March                                                                    
appropriations  vehicle,  and  the projects  that  would  be                                                                    
eligible for the  funds were the projects  that were already                                                                    
in  the  queue. He  thought  the  next  year would  be  more                                                                    
competitive.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson referred  to  slide  14 and  stated                                                                    
that Fairbanks  had the worst  air quality in the  state. He                                                                    
asked if  Fairbanks would  be eligible  to apply  for carbon                                                                    
reduction funds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks responded  that the  details were  still unknown.                                                                    
Traditionally,  metropolitan  planning  organizations  (MPO)                                                                    
could not  nominate individual projects  for the  state, but                                                                    
the  rules  had  become  less stringently  enforced  in  the                                                                    
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:02:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked if there  was a portion of IIJA funds                                                                    
that would be directed  to municipalities directly and would                                                                    
allow collaboration with the federal government.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  replied, "Both."  He  elaborated  that the  MPOs                                                                    
received   $3  million   in   planning   funds  which   were                                                                    
distributed according to a formula.  The capital program was                                                                    
funded  through a  variety of  sources, including  the STBG.                                                                    
Funds from  STBG and  TAP were  received in  population sub-                                                                    
allocations. A  portion of funds received  through STBG were                                                                    
designated  for   areas  with  a  population   greater  than                                                                    
200,000;  therefore,  the  funds  were given  to  AMATS.  He                                                                    
expected  that the  fund amounts  would see  an increase  of                                                                    
about 6  to 7 percent.  Municipalities could also  apply for                                                                    
discretionary grants,  and there was a  strong preference in                                                                    
the  current federal  administration to  connect with  local                                                                    
communities  directly. The  FHWA had  gone from  managing 52                                                                    
states  and  some  MPOs to  managing  over  60,000  eligible                                                                    
direct  recipients. There  was  significant federal  concern                                                                    
about how to  handle the increase, and FHWA  was hiring from                                                                    
700  to 1,000  new employees  to help  manage the  increased                                                                    
workload.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter referred  to  slide  14 and  asked                                                                    
what the  state matching  requirement would be.  He wondered                                                                    
if  federal funds  would involve  a matching  requirement as                                                                    
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks   responded  that  there  would   be  a  matching                                                                    
requirement for  both fund types. He  elaborated that Alaska                                                                    
had  benefited  from  a  sliding   scale  system  that  only                                                                    
required the state  pay a 9.3 percent match for  most of the                                                                    
programs on  the slide.  There were  some programs  that did                                                                    
not  require  that Alaska  provide  matching  funds at  all.                                                                    
Other  states  typically  paid upwards  of  20  percent  per                                                                    
match.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:08:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter referred to  the column on slide 14                                                                    
that showed the expected IIJA funds  for FY 22 through FY 26                                                                    
by program.  He noted that the  total of all the  IIJA funds                                                                    
was expected  to be around  $340 million over the  next five                                                                    
years. He  asked if  his assessment  of the  planning factor                                                                    
was correct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks explained that the  number that should be used for                                                                    
planning purposes  was the  $340 million  total extrapolated                                                                    
out.  He  noted  that  the state  would  receive  additional                                                                    
allocated  funds totaling  around $140  million which  would                                                                    
also  require a  match  and  need to  be  considered in  the                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter thought the  $764 million figure on                                                                    
slide 12 referred to state funds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks clarified the figure was federal funds.                                                                               
Representative Carpenter  asked if Mr. Marks  was suggesting                                                                    
that calculating 10 percent of  $764 million over five years                                                                    
would elicit a more accurate total.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson  commented   that  he   had  seen                                                                    
increasingly smaller capital budgets  since the recession in                                                                    
2014  and  the  state's   match  had  averaged  around  $150                                                                    
million. He asked if the  estimated $764 million would be in                                                                    
addition to the  modest amount in the capital  budget and if                                                                    
the $764 million would be incorporated every year.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  responded  that DOT's  modeling  factored  in  2                                                                    
percent  inflation every  year and  modeled the  figures out                                                                    
over five years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson commented  that oil  was currently                                                                    
at  $90 per  barrel and  next year  it would  be at  $40 per                                                                    
barrel.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Merrick   noted   a  document   detailing   AEA's                                                                    
electrical vehicle  infrastructure plan  (copy on  file) had                                                                    
been handed out.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter  asked  what  the  difference  was                                                                    
between the  FAST and IIJA budgets  on slides 13 and  14. He                                                                    
thought the $764  million match would be in  addition to the                                                                    
$150 million that was typically in the capital budget.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks answered  that slide  14 only  showed apportioned                                                                    
funds, however  the state received  more in  allocated funds                                                                    
that was  not included on  the slide. The slide  intended to                                                                    
demonstrate the  programs through which the  money was being                                                                    
delivered   to  the   state.  In   terms   of  total   match                                                                    
requirement,  the  apportioned  and  the  allocated  amounts                                                                    
would  both need  to be  considered,  and there  would be  a                                                                    
matching  component  involved in  forthcoming  discretionary                                                                    
grants as well.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:12:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz understood that  the governor had suggested                                                                    
an obligation  of $125  million in the  budget. He  asked if                                                                    
the $125 million figure would  cover any amount of the other                                                                    
matching requirements.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Carpenter  answered that  the  budget  did not  include                                                                    
matching  funds. He  explained  that DOT  had presented  the                                                                    
budget as a placeholder.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  if there  would be  some obligation                                                                    
funds for FY 22  or FY 23 that would need  to be included in                                                                    
the capital budget.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter agreed there would  be an amendment to address                                                                    
the increased funding level.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  turned  briefly  to slide  16  to  address  FAHP                                                                    
allocations. He explained that the  slide gave some examples                                                                    
of what the  allocations could be. He moved to  slide 17 and                                                                    
spoke  to  the  obligation   limit.  The  concept  could  be                                                                    
confusing,   and  he   offered  a   metaphor  to   help:  if                                                                    
apportionment  was the  fish in  the  ocean, the  obligation                                                                    
limit  would  be  the  catch  limit.  The  obligation  limit                                                                    
dictated the upper spending limit  that could be utilized in                                                                    
a given year.  Apportionment lasted for four  years, and any                                                                    
unused amounts would roll into  the following year. However,                                                                    
the department had to use  the obligation limit by September                                                                    
30, 2022 or  the funds would return to  the original source.                                                                    
Roughly  half  of DOT's  funding  came  from NHPP,  about  a                                                                    
quarter  came from  STBG,  and a  variety  of other  funding                                                                    
sources rounded out the portfolio.  The obligation limit for                                                                    
Alaska  was nine,  therefore funds  could originate  from no                                                                    
more  than nine  funding sources.  However, he  relayed that                                                                    
the amounts would vary from year to year.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:17:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  moved to slide  18 and addressed the  year ahead.                                                                    
He  indicated that  DOT  conducted a  survey  of over  2,000                                                                    
Alaskans  on   how  the  funds  should   be  allocated.  The                                                                    
department  would  be  conducting a  second,  more  targeted                                                                    
round of the  survey soon. He added  that grant coordination                                                                    
was  also being  discussed  by the  department,  as well  as                                                                    
standing up a  clearinghouse. Due to the  increase in direct                                                                    
recipient eligibility,  there were many questions  on how to                                                                    
get a  project approved.  There were  a couple  of different                                                                    
options circulating  to create  a way  to triage  and curate                                                                    
projects.    Significant    outreach,   coordination,    and                                                                    
collaboration  efforts would  also  be  increasing over  the                                                                    
next year  and the  next STIP cycle  would begin  within the                                                                    
following few months. Additionally,  DOT was implementing an                                                                    
"eSTIP," or electronic  STIP, which seemed to  be the future                                                                    
of the STIP. He explained  that the eSTIP would be map-based                                                                    
and automated  to make the  process as easy as  possible. He                                                                    
addressed the  eSTIP on slides 19  and 20. There would  be a                                                                    
large  public portal  to allow  for  public involvement  and                                                                    
every project  would be plotted on  a map of the  state. The                                                                    
department  was  also   considering  implementing  a  public                                                                    
comment  component in  order  to  facilitate discussion  and                                                                    
allow  the  department to  respond  to  comments within  the                                                                    
eSTIP itself.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:23:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  referenced   her  earlier  question                                                                    
related to  the STIP  process and unorganized  boroughs. She                                                                    
asked who to contact for  information about the STIP process                                                                    
in an unorganized borough with no community planner.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks replied  that the  department  had another  slide                                                                    
showing  a  planner  map  that   he  could  provide  to  the                                                                    
committee.  He  explained  the  state  was  broken  up  into                                                                    
regions,  each region  was further  subdivided, and  an area                                                                    
planner was assigned to each  area. The map showed names and                                                                    
contact information  for every  area or borough,  even those                                                                    
that were not organized.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  asked  if  the  area  managers  had                                                                    
meetings in the assigned  community and whether the managers                                                                    
were state employees.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Marks  replied  affirmatively. Each  region  should  be                                                                    
maintaining a planning  list so that the  area manager could                                                                    
reach out  to solicit input  when a  new STIP process  or an                                                                    
amendment was put forth.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Carpenter looked  at slide  17 and  asked if                                                                    
there  was a  dollar amount  associated with  the obligation                                                                    
amount.  He asked  if DOT  had considered  using the  Alaska                                                                    
Regional  Development  Organizations (ARDOR)  to  distribute                                                                    
information  to   the  public.  He  noted   that  ARDOR  was                                                                    
indispensable  in  circulating  information  to  the  public                                                                    
about  the Coronavirus  Aid, Relief,  and Economic  Security                                                                    
(CARES) Act funding.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  replied that the  department was  typically given                                                                    
90  percent of  the  obligation limitation  relative to  the                                                                    
apportionment amount.  The obligation  limit expired  at the                                                                    
end  of September  every year,  and  if a  state thought  it                                                                    
would be  unable to use  the funds by  the end of  the year,                                                                    
the federal  government would reshuffle the  funds to states                                                                    
that were ready.  The reshuffling was referred  to as August                                                                    
redistribution and was an  important factor when considering                                                                    
the obligation limit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz  asked  how IIJA  would  impact  the  STIP                                                                    
process.  He  wondered  if the  committee  would  hear  more                                                                    
information about it later on.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks  replied that the  department would have  to spend                                                                    
time  reprogramming the  STIP because  changes needed  to be                                                                    
made  every  time new  programs  were  released. There  were                                                                    
projects currently in  the STIP that could  be rearranged to                                                                    
relieve  some   of  the   strain  on   the  NHS.   Some  new                                                                    
eligibilities could be a standalone  program, such as carbon                                                                    
reduction,  and  some eligibilities  may  make  it into  the                                                                    
community  transportation program.  He  indicated that  IIJA                                                                    
would be incremental  in a number of facets of  the STIP and                                                                    
in other plans as well.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:29:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon  understood   that   he  needed   to                                                                    
benchmark  any  new funds  coming  through  DOT against  the                                                                    
amounts the  programs would have produced  regardless of any                                                                    
new funds.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Marks replied affirmatively.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon   thanked  the  presenters   for  the                                                                    
helpful presentation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  thanked the  presenters. She  reviewed the                                                                    
schedule for the following day.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:30 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
H-Fin-DOT STIP-IIJA Overview 2022-02-15.pdf HFIN 2/15/2022 1:30:00 PM
DOT Overview STIP/IIJA Overview
HB 283
DOT STIP IIJA Overview Supporting Document 021522.pdf HFIN 2/15/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HFIN - Feb 15 DOTPF Responses to STIP & IIJA Presenation 022222.pdf HFIN 2/15/2022 1:30:00 PM
DOT response attachment DOT Planners Map 022222.pdf HFIN 2/15/2022 1:30:00 PM